Scum nothing more: Celtic fans chant & sing during Minutes silence
Published: November 8, 2009
I posted on a Celtic supporters forum several days ago about this weekend and the minutes silence. Through the majority of Celtic forums, fans were discussing it, whether they agree with it or not. I am a Celtic supporter and yes I am proud to be a Celtic fan, however I cannot stand by and let those Celtic fans who have shamed the name of the club and the descent amount of Celtic fans who impeccably observed the minutes silence, get away with it scot-free.
What I wrote the other day:
FACT IS - Remembrance weekend and Sunday is not glorifying war not celebrating the British Army its all about remembering the fallen.
Plenty of Irish from the South joined the British Armed Forces to fight in both world wars. And whatever your political beliefs or opinions on the current wars in Iraq and Afghanistan - you HAVE to respect peoples beliefs.
To stand and remember to respect the remembrance weekend/sunday is not being Pro-British it is about remembering those who have fallen, yet many people continually think that because you were a poppy YOU MUST BE Pro-British.
Once again its those folk who continually claim that Celtic are still a catholic club and that all celtic fans are catholic that probably think that wearing a poppy is about celebrating and glorifying war and the British military.
I have the utmost respect for those who do so and to defend their families, friends etc. Nowadays the phrase For Queen and Country is just that a phrase! In reality how many do you actually think are in the army because they want to defend the Queen etc.
I am sick to the back teeth of fans who stand up in mock protest against this without not having a clue about any of it. Yes plenty of fans protest because they know the facts etc, but how many do so because they follow the crowd?????
Fact is these men and women fought for the freedom that we take for granted everyday. I will be silent, I will not protest - it is not a Political statement to do so, it is showing respect to those who have fallen.
You can protest all you want before and after the silence - but during it respect peoples beliefs and opinions. If you can’t manage that then don’t turn up at the game.
Those fans who boo or shout or chant during the minutes silence will not only shame the club, they will also shame those fans who respect the minutes silence and then just bring further criticism and abuse on our club.
Celtic and their fans claim of being multi-cultural and respecting other peoples beliefs - so why do some believe that Remembrance weekend/Sunday is exempt from this?
How many Celtic fans fought in both wars? How many Celtic fans died in both wars? How many Celtic fans have died since WW2 in wars? How many Celtic players died in both wars?
Fact is there have been plenty of fans and players alike who have died doing what THEY believe in, you have the right to believe in what you deem fit - however we will be shaming the memory of the likes of William Angus and Peter Johnstone - both Celtic players - Johnstone was the most famous of the Celtic players who fought and died during WW1. If Celtic fans boo or chant or sing during the minutes silence they will be shaming their memory and in reality, I would be ashamed to be labelled as a fellow fan by these people who do so.
RESPECT IT - WHETHER YOU BELIEVE IN IT OR NOT!
Sadly however as I expected, Celtic fans interrupted the minutes silence by singing a republican song in protest. First of all - yes they have a right to protest and I cannot deny anyone the right to protest, however the fact is in my opinion those fans who broke the minutes silence are scum of the highest order.
Yes, I expect to come under attack from those who believe in the protest that was made. Within Celtic’s social statement they state:
“Celtic Football Club is for people who want to support a football club that strives for excellence in Scotland and in Europe, is proud of its history, supportive of its local community and seeks to support the following aims: “To maximise all opportunities to disassociate the Club from sectarianism and bigotry of any kind. To promote Celtic as a Club for all people, regardless of gender, age, religion, race or ability.”
Yet these fans whoever they are, have now given ammunition to the newspapers and rivals who will label the club and the fans scum. It will be splashed all across the papers from north and south of the border deeming ALL celtic fans as disrespecting the minute silence and those who fell for the freedom we take for granted. Whether or not it was 10, 100 or 1,000 who protested.
Those Celtic fans who decided to sing and protest have shamed the memories of those Celtic players - Willie Angus, John McLaughlin, Archie McMillan, Leigh Roose, Donnie McLeod, Robert Craig and Peter Johnstone - and Celtic fans who fought and/or died during the wars.
Fact is the majority of those who stood outside are probably a bunch of wee lads from the west of scotland who were never around when the troubles were in full swing. They glorify actions of a group of men, knowing nothing of the experiences that occurred other than reading books, listening to stories and watching movies.
I detest talking about politics or religion on this website, but when such an incident takes place I have to speak my mind no matter the consequences. I hope that the club and the newspapers name and shame the fans who did protest. But just like last season, it is a minority of fans who did so - however that is no excuse and should not be used as such.
Remembrance weekend is all about RESPECT and those who protested have now lost the club the RESPECT they earned over the years for their charity, anti-sectarian/bigotry and other work.
I finish this article off with a comment I made in the article I posted above - “How many Celtic fans fought in both wars? How many Celtic fans died in both wars? How many Celtic fans have died since WW2 in wars? How many Celtic players died in both wars? How many Irish from the south, or those Catholics from the North have joined and fought in the British military in the world wars and to the present time and have fallen also?”
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104 Comments on "Scum nothing more: Celtic fans chant & sing during Minutes silence"
James Forrest on Sun, 8th Nov 2009 4:44 pm
“I have to speak my mind no matter the consequences ……”
There, right there, is where your pathetic rant becomes what nothing more than a self indulgent petulant whine. You hide behind a computer screen … the only “consequences” therefore are that you might read nasty words you don’t like or big words you don’t understand.
Consequences. Don’t make me laugh. If you are such a drum banger for the troops then SIGN UP.
Don’t even PRETEND to be a Celtic supporter, because all you are is a hollering apologist for the critics of Celtic, or worse, a Hun with an agenda. Writers like you, like half-wits who seek self publicity, or who seek to crawl up the rear-end of the media, are the true scum.
I bet you didn’t write a word - not ONE - on the Rangers fans who shamed the WHOLE COUNTRY the other night, and who’s pretending to care for the troops is the most staggering act of hypocrisy on display today in Scotland.
Some people DID sing outside the stadium today. Outside it. In the street. Where as far as I know there is still free speech. You may call them scum, but I will neither defend them nor condemn them - cause I don’t have to. They broke no laws. They did nothing that isn’t guarenteed them in a free society. They didn’t riot, unlike some other fans.
What makes your article pathetic, what makes everyone who will follow you pathetic, what makes it pitiful and disgusting and embarrasing to you and the other halfwits who will spout this crap about “Celtic fans are scum” is this; you are GLEEING about “being right.” You don’t give a SHIT about the troops or their memory. You are on to gloat that YOU WERE RIGHT “na-na-na-na-na, look who SUPERIOR i am” - well pal, that just won’t fly.
You have SHAMELESSLY misappropriated the memories of the dead, to boost your own ego and further whatever agenda you are pursuing.
You, and the many, many, many huns with typewriters who follow you, are the ones who should be ashamed. But you won’t be. People like you have NO shame.
Daniel on Sun, 8th Nov 2009 5:17 pm
singing was from fans outside stadium pal
they have a right to express their opinion
Editor on Sun, 8th Nov 2009 5:27 pm
Daniel whether it was from inside or outside the stadium - the fact is that it still happened and ruined the minutes silence.
And yes they have a right to express their opinion - however those people who protested have the cheek to complain or are outraged when certain other organisations/fans demonstrate or state their agendas that Celtic fans are against. The fact is these protesting fans are hypocrits. One minute its you are not allowed to do that or sing that or say that and then they next its - we can say or sing or do what we want because this country has freedom of speech. You can;t have it one way and not the other.
And nice to see James reverting to character of someone who thinks anyone who criticises Celtic fans or certain groups MUST be a Rangers fan etc. Also his comments proves that he has never read this site given that he stated, “I bet you didn’t write a word - not ONE - on the Rangers fans who shamed the WHOLE COUNTRY the other night, and who’s pretending to care for the troops is the most staggering act of hypocrisy on display today in Scotland.”
Care to change your stance or are you just going to go back to burying your head up yer @rse: http://scotzine.com/2009/11/04/champions-league-unirea-1-1-rangers-gers-throw-away-the-lead-as-rangers-fans-fight-in-the-stands/
Liam... on Sun, 8th Nov 2009 5:31 pm
An excellent, reflective article. These eejits have an axe to grind. They are not about respecting others’ views and not respecting the sacrifice of many Scots and Irish during the two wars. They have nothing to do with the traditions of our club. They bring shame to the memory of ex-Celtic players that have served their country, more than these plastic terorists will ever do. Why can’t these Irish fascists go elsewhere to sing their song about the Real IRA, continuity IRA, etc to wallow in death and the murder of innocents.
Ray on Sun, 8th Nov 2009 5:51 pm
I am a Celtic suppoter and a catholic. I was also in the British Army, so what does that make me? The people that disrupted the minutes silence should be ashamed of themselves. Scum is a nice way of describing them.
Tony Bananas on Sun, 8th Nov 2009 6:06 pm
Feeling a bit smug there Andy? Hats off to you and a round of “for he’s a jolly good fellow” for writing about events in Romania last week. Your credentials as a “neutral” are impeccable.
Just one thing though… I couldn’t quite place the word “Scum” anywhere in reference to the Rangers fans (or should that be Chelsea/West Ham/Millwall/Shettleston Juniors etc etc) who indulged in the most base of violent behaviour motivated by nothing but their pure hatred of anyone from outwith their own wee Anglo-Saxon perspective.
I was also angered and apalled by the singing outside Falkirk’s stadium today. I was expecting a “Celtic fan scum” headline from the Daily Record or the Sun, not from a writer purporting to be some sort of independent voice of the ordinary football fan and claiming to be a Celtic fan at that.
I might have expected some perspective, but you display all the traits of a Keith Jackson or Darrell King coiled like a loaded spring, ready to play the “different sides of the same coin” card at the first available opportunity after yet another Rangers disgrace act.
Maybe you are indeed a Celtic fan, however it strikes me that no.1 is your real priority.
Your article on events in Romania was littel more than the standard fake hand wringing and avoidance of emotive language when referring to the latest Rangers riot seen throughout Scottish tabloids.
When a tiny minority (yes a genuine minority) disgrace Celtic FC, the gloves come off and it’s no holds barred headlines about “scum” Celtic fans.
Another hack, who you would probably get on well with, “Falkirk fan” Gordon Waddell wrote a piece over a week ago, pre-empting today’s events. The guy was practically salivating and straining at the leash and used the excuse of hs own spontaneous rant to call the Celtic Chief Executive a “pea-brain”. This is without even the excuse of anything actually having occured!
This kind of pejorative statement just does not appear in the Scottish media in relation to players, officials or even fans of Rangers and it’s not for the lack of opportunity.
Let’s be clear about this - Waddell and his ilk (probably including yourself) were absolutely DESPERATE for this to happen and for the resultant excuse to get the boot in. People like you COULD NOT CARE LESS about those who died in battle, rather you see an opportunity to promote your petty self serving little agenda.
Principles are a saleable commodity to those with an axe to grind an a career as a grubby hack to further.
A Laptop Loyal job alongside Keevins, McNee, Walker and the rest, taking the Establishment shilling and getting the boot into the Taigs and their Irish tosh awaits you.
The article above demonstrates you are already well aware of the required party line to follow follow.
I hope you can enjoy it whilst continuing to “support” Celtic via YouTube clips and calling the club’s supporters Scum.
Editor on Sun, 8th Nov 2009 6:21 pm
I could not care less about those who died??? I had a mate at school whose dad died in the first Gulf War and have had relatives who have fought in the World Wars and served in the military afterwards - so dont try and take the moral high ground by stating that I dont care or couldnt care less.
Again you fail to read through our WHOLE website where we have attacked fans of a variety of clubs who have caused trouble - but I dont expect you to actually do anything about your lack of understanding on this site. Btw I would have been glad to see and hear Celtic fans respect the minutes silence - however as we all know by now I was right in my expectations of a minority of fans disrespecting the weekend of remembrance.
dannybhoy on Sun, 8th Nov 2009 6:29 pm
The word catholic with a non capital c is not a religion.BTW the people who ruined the minutes silence outside are scum do me a favour & stop supporting Celtic
Kilbowie Kelt on Sun, 8th Nov 2009 6:49 pm
James Forrest, Your intellect & perspicacity are wasted on your target today.
Pearls cast before swine, as the Bible described it.
I watched the game on Sky & was delighted with the respect that Celtic fans gave to the silence.
Impeccable.
Mischief makers who go outside the ground to be offended will find such offence.
Just pity them.
Editor on Sun, 8th Nov 2009 7:00 pm
Whether or not the protestors were outside the ground - you heard it over the radio and also in the footage that I have posted quite clearly. and more importantly they were heard in the stadium.
I was pleased that the majority of Celtic fans at the game impeccably respected the silence however that does not mean those who protested, sang and chanted should be forgotten about or be ignored - they should be named and shamed. In fact they are no better than that drunk student a few weeks back pissing all over a war memorial.
suspicious on Sun, 8th Nov 2009 7:23 pm
not that im suspicious or anything.. but i watched the game on sky.. and that audio didnt exist .. ive played it back again from disc to make sure.. and that audio you have on your video didnt exist on skys programme today. strange that.
suspicious on Sun, 8th Nov 2009 7:25 pm
and its sky who feed the game to the rest of the broadcasters.. so if the original from sky didnt have it… then how did it end up in your video?
MAX on Sun, 8th Nov 2009 7:36 pm
And what exactly were the rangers supporters chanting in Romania?
“CAN YOU HEAR THE GYPOS SING!!”
Between that and NAZI salutes (let’s call it what it is) in Israel, surely EVERYONE who died to protect our country from Nazism/racism must be turning in their graves that these peepel are so openly racist while waving their countries flac, be it the UJ or the Saltire.
I read no mention of this despicable behaviour in the link to the rangers sectarian SCUM apologist article you kindly provided, infact quite the opposite, very little in the details Dpt, and very heavy on the David Edgars preposterous excuses for his scum fans ‘NORMAL’ behaviour!
The Celtic support were imaculate in their respect and dignity today as they were in hamburg oh Thurs, under SEVERE provocation.As we are continually told, when it suits, there’s no place for polotics in sport, unless ofcourse the laptop loyalists are trying to cover up the disgraceful behaviour of rangers supporters, yet again, just as dodgy dave intended when he started the thing in the first place!!
It was never deemed neccessary before last year, so why is it so important now?
I think we all know the answer to that one, although it doesn’t suit all of us to admit to it.
One Star Means More on Sun, 8th Nov 2009 7:38 pm
Do us all a favour and stop pretending to be a “Celtic fan” and then branding our support “scum” to cosy up to Rangers bigots.
You, sir, are an idiot and you can shove your associated title that tries to cash in on Celtic fans. There are plenty of decent football and Celtic sites around and yours is not one of them.
“Scum” is more apt to you and your ilk with your pre-written garbage denigrating Celtic.
Editor on Sun, 8th Nov 2009 7:43 pm
oh aye I superimposed the chanting and the singing on the video to suit my own agenda. It was heard clearly on the radio as for the feed etc you would have to ask Sky why they turned the sound down and why others who had the same footage did not.
MAX on Sun, 8th Nov 2009 7:49 pm
Ps. were the the war dead when they mocked the deaths of hundreds of thousands of Japanese victims of the neuclear holocaust by immitating bomber planes when Naka was taking a corner?
How many Manchester police died during both WWs?
The Scottish media is very selective on just what is reported and what’s ‘let lie’, where can I get a list of those present in the San Siro in 2005, when the sash & the billyboys could clearly be heard being belted out, Fenian blood and all, even though the only people in attendance were the selfsame reporters and the OFFICIAL rangers party?
dannybhoy on Sun, 8th Nov 2009 7:56 pm
Max this article has nothing to do with Rangers the so called fans behaviour outside the ground was disgraceful Willie maley would be turning in his grave(it should be remembered that he got part of Celtic Park constructed for war veterans)
Tony Bananas on Sun, 8th Nov 2009 7:58 pm
A guy who writes a headline branding Celtic supporters as scum accuses me of taking the moral high ground. Great.
You’ve attacked fans of other clubs for their behavour. Very well done.
Did you brand them “scum” in these articles? Thought not.
I notice you didn’t take any care to emphasise that the “scum” where those who denegrated the minute’s silence. A favourite tabloid tactic.
MAX on Sun, 8th Nov 2009 7:59 pm
I watched the game on Channel67 and the sound was barely audable, infact it was a Falkirk fan who could be heard bawling something near the end of the minute.
It is perfectly clear, and I think undisputed, that the singing came from out side the stadium, and that it came from a group of around 20 people or so, I’ll tell you what, they must have some lungs on them to be heard so clearly on ‘certain’ sports programmes (and not in others), but then again if one channel is walking abou the carpark with a live mic…………..
Tell me where the dignity and respect is in that! Or is it now acceptable to USE the deaths of millions of soldiers and innocent civilians to further your own twisted agenda??
Now that’s REAL scum!!!
MickCelt on Sun, 8th Nov 2009 8:01 pm
What an absolute disgrace - nothing else to say really. I pride myself on being a Celtic fan because we claim to be inclusive 100% - these idiots who sang either have no idea what they were protesting about or dont have an ounce of sense to share around, so from that view, like the minority of idiots on both sides of the community in N. Ireland (which is where they pull their hatred/excuse from), they wont hear common sense anway. To finish, completely embarassed…
MAX on Sun, 8th Nov 2009 8:03 pm
Danny if you think this article and indeed the whole issue has got nothing to do with rangers, then you’re a fool!
gavin on Sun, 8th Nov 2009 8:09 pm
the ones who are criticising celtics dnt have rite remember those who have fallen even the ones who raped innocent irish catholics and shot dead innocent people on bloody sunday! dnt fink so! they had rite to sing and protest!
Editor on Sun, 8th Nov 2009 8:09 pm
No the real scum are those who disrespected the memory of those who died fighting fascism and Nazis etc by chanting and singing for an agenda that they jump onto
Bobajob on Sun, 8th Nov 2009 8:11 pm
Max
Blame Rangers, blame the British army, blame the feckin Queen if you want. Facts are, you people are vermin. The entire world watched and saw the type of people you are.
Blame Rangers fans in Bucharest, blame Bears in Manchester, facts are, you lot disgraced this country and your club on Sky.
Just a pity Sky covered up the abuse mind.
Blame Rangers fans for everything and anything Max, facts are you lot were shown up for what you are. Blood thirsty vermin.
Blame Rangers Max - you sad little weapon.
Editor on Sun, 8th Nov 2009 8:13 pm
Yes I have branded them scum - ask any rangers fan who has launched an attack on me and this site for comments I have made in regards to the behaviour of some of their fans and the words that I have used.
You are quick to launch attacks and criticise Rangers fans and other groups of fans for their behaviour but then defend the actions of some fans who have shown disrespect and then have the audacity to claim that they have the right to do so and yet launch attacks into groups such as the BNP/EDL etc for their scummy opinions. Hypocritcal to say the least.
Tony Bananas on Sun, 8th Nov 2009 8:20 pm
I do not defend the actions of those who marred the minute’s silence today. They were a disgrace to the club. I concur with those who suggest they should go and do something else of a weekend if this is how they wish to use Celtic’s name.
I think the fact that my issue is with the “scum” headline has been adequately expressed.
Editor on Sun, 8th Nov 2009 8:24 pm
so if they are not scum then what are they? in your opinion Tony? Because in my opinion they are.
dannybhoy on Sun, 8th Nov 2009 8:25 pm
Max this article never even mentioned Rangers it you thats in the wrong.Bobajob the people who ruined the minutes silence are the ones who are out of order not all the Celtic fans as you seem to be implying.
SKUBhoy on Sun, 8th Nov 2009 8:31 pm
What a load of tripe
“Scum nothing more: Celtic fans chant & sing during Minutes silence”
What would have been worng with:
“Scum nothing more: Small minority of Celtic fans chant & sing outside stadium during Minutes silence”
Oh that’s right it sould too much like the truth, and you cant let the truth get in the way of a good Celtic bashing story.
I can’t remember reading
‘Scum nothing more:Yet again Rangers fans chant racist slogans and riot’
S. LA on Sun, 8th Nov 2009 8:40 pm
James Forrest, you are a typical Celtic supporter, can never see wrong in your fans or team. Fact is the self proclaimed, YES Self proclaimed greatest fans in the world, hah, aye right!!! shamed the club and themselves again, and why oh why did you feel the need to refer to someone as “a hun” just because you dont agree with his opinion. You are exactly what we have come to expect from ra sellick, take off your green tinted glasses and admit the facts. scotlands real shame stepped forward today.
Brian Smith on Sun, 8th Nov 2009 8:51 pm
This is the first time I’ve looked at this site - technically it’s quite good. It’s just a shame that the writing style and ability is far beneath that of the layout.
Biased, idiotic, self-importance isn’t interesting in the slightest. You can shove it ‘were’ the sun doesn’t shine.
kieren on Sun, 8th Nov 2009 8:53 pm
Um… if the singing from was from outside the ground why did the entire Falkirk support turn to the Celtic end and start booing or singing: “Scum Scum”? Were they able to hear the edited stremes that channel 67 didn’t pick up?
I also refuse to believe that such a vocal Celtic support were able to conveniently be outside whilst the minutes silence was taking place and they sang IRISH republican songs unawares that a minutes silence was taking place inside! If they did then for them to be so loud implies it was not a monority.
Stop trying to deflect and deny; a quorum of Celtic fans disgraced the club and you need to grow a set and stop defending them. Name and shame!
Editor on Sun, 8th Nov 2009 8:54 pm
well you must not have been reading very closely then SKUBhoy - oh wait once again someone with a paranoia complex that they are being picked on - along with another typical tit for tat response - this article has got nothing to do with Rangers at all - but heres some articles for you to browse through:
http://scotzine.com/2008/05/16/rangers-thugs-add-insult-to-injury/
http://scotzine.com/2009/10/21/maurice-edu-claims-rangers-fans-racially-abused-him/
http://scotzine.com/2009/11/04/champions-league-unirea-1-1-rangers-gers-throw-away-the-lead-as-rangers-fans-fight-in-the-stands/
http://scotzine.com/2008/09/01/celtics-lennon-attacked-after-rangers-match-last-night/
http://scotzine.com/2009/03/17/borucs-home-attacked-by-thugs-by-scum-by-the-dregs-of-society/
Editor on Sun, 8th Nov 2009 8:55 pm
How is this site biased Brian? And where is the self-importance of it??? Enlighten me.
dannybhoy on Sun, 8th Nov 2009 8:57 pm
SKU you have a point.
S.LA you cant blame every Celtic fan for the behaviour of the arseholes outside the ground.
Dinny on Sun, 8th Nov 2009 9:18 pm
Booing and singing how dare they . Booing and singing how very dare they . Our boys didn’t die so people could boo and sing , no they did not . They died so people would stay quite and do as they were told . Hang them I say , or better round them all up and gas them in camps . Booing and singing indeed .
kieren on Sun, 8th Nov 2009 9:18 pm
Its just as well such a vocal support was outside the ground, how bad would it have been if they had managed to be inside the groung to sing!
I do again wonder how they were still outside the stadium and in full voice so close to kick off?
Tony Bananas on Sun, 8th Nov 2009 9:37 pm
are you being mendacious Andy, or just thick?
You’ve demonstrated a fine journalistic aptitude for twisting statements.
Scum/morons whatever perjorative term you want to call them. I’d plump for idiots.
However, still avoids the question of why you framed this reference to apply to ALL Celtic fans.
Dinny on Sun, 8th Nov 2009 9:46 pm
Hang the blighters I say
Tony Bananas on Sun, 8th Nov 2009 9:52 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nG6dbz2bvEA
Bit of a discrepancy between the noise level on your source Andy and that on footage taken from inside the ground.
Not saying this is you, but why has sound from outside the ground been played over footage from inside the ground? To enhance the effect?
Dinny on Sun, 8th Nov 2009 9:58 pm
In my day we pulled them out from their hovels kicking and screaming and hung them from the nearest tree . Whether in China , India , Africa or Ireland . Our boys gave them a jolly good thrashing . Too bloody right . All for queen and country .
mark stewart on Sun, 8th Nov 2009 10:15 pm
Falkirk fan here, someof you were disgraceful, protest outside all you please (freedom of speech etc) but i agree many celtic fans, catholic and protestant died in these wars which gave us the freedom we didn’t earn but they died for. As for the baloons giving it Rangers Rangers Rangers… what the hell have they got to do with what you did today, they provetime and again they have knuckle draggers follow following them, your defence is to point the big finger??? oh them bad boys are worse than us. Old firm to England i say, the sooner SCOTLAND is rid of you the better. Your articles an honest opinion, it’s a shame YOU represent the small minority with dignity.
Robert McInnes on Sun, 8th Nov 2009 10:23 pm
For those saying that the ira chanting may be edited into this video.. It is the same audio heard loud and clear on bbc radio.. Sky anticipated these morons wrecking the silence and took it upon themselves to edit there own audio
Daniel on Sun, 8th Nov 2009 10:30 pm
lol,
as you will all notice no other websites are mentioning this apart from this one and Rangers sites
witch hunt by the huns anyone?
trying to deflect attention?
lol this is funny,
Editor on Sun, 8th Nov 2009 10:34 pm
framed it to apply to all Celtic fans????
“I am a Celtic supporter and yes I am proud to be a Celtic fan, however I cannot stand by and let those Celtic fans who have shamed the name of the club and the decent amount of Celtic fans who impeccably observed the minutes silence, get away with it scot-free.”
I posted the above at the start of the article.. take it that puts paid to your claims that I meant all Celtic fans.
Dinny on Sun, 8th Nov 2009 10:35 pm
Jolly good old boy .I must admit that sort of thing goes over my head . Got one in the neck in Flanders old chap , but we showed them . Bombed Dresden to the ground . Full of them nasty chappies I’m sure .
Outraged on Sun, 8th Nov 2009 10:38 pm
Celtic fan ? Your having a laugh mate. I suppose you wil feel that you will have somehow managed to attain the moral highground typing on your notebook bedecked in your Chelsea top, Orange sash & furiously playing with yourself whilst ogling a picture of Sally McCoist. Away ya manky filthy hun monkey and raffle yerself!
dannybhoy on Sun, 8th Nov 2009 10:40 pm
Actually dinny was it not for King & country in your day???
Saor Alba on Sun, 8th Nov 2009 10:56 pm
firstly, celtic fans sang no ira songs during the silence, they sang a song about a young innocent man brutally murdered by the brit forces we are all forced into worshipping at this time.
they are not scum, they are merely displaying a different political stance than the status quo established by the government here. to call them scum is to say that having and venting an opinion should be outlawed as it is a disgrace. well, its not. for all you uneducated web dwellers, singing of a british army atrocity is different to singing about the IRA. and it is not only ireland that seperates the difference of opinion. iraq and afghanistan are wars which should have no british involvement and someone has every right to oppose the killings of thousands of children every month and the torture of iraqi and afghan citizens.
for me, the poppy doesnt represent the world wars (there would be no opposition to it if it did) but instead it is a propaganda tool for the british forces to recruit more young naive men into killing and ruining the lives of innocents. i am not disgracing the memory of any celtic player who died in the great war but to adhere to this rememberance ploy is to spit on the graves of aiden mcanespie and the innocent 14 killed on the streets of derry by these ‘heroes’.
as for the article, andy you need to look at yourself. from the junglebhoys forum it is clear to see you hate anyone who disagrees even slightly with you and you political views fall nothing short of neo-fascism. its time to educate yourself young boy, you have been sucked into the propaganda of the british war machine in all its bloody glory.
heres to those who fought against fascism in ww2, to those who were forced to fight in ww1. heres also to those who fought for their own freedom against the british and heres to all those who have died as a result of british imperialism.
dolce et decorum est pro patria mori
Stevie Tait on Sun, 8th Nov 2009 10:58 pm
Any reply on this yet editor?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nG6dbz2bvEA
Editor on Sun, 8th Nov 2009 11:05 pm
lol outraged again a typical response from someone who is a wee cretin - because i do not follow your point of view I must be a rangers fan pretending to be a celtic fan and then you make bigoted comments about me wearing an orange sash - people like you are the reason why celtic fans get a bad name in regards to religion.
I guess your sitting at your end with a balaclava an AK47 bedecked in camo fatigues speaking in Irish Gaelic with a tricolor behind you - in the west of scotland??? or maybe your just a wee ned fae coatbridge who drinks buckie, bedecked in burberry skip cap and kappa trackie.
Editor on Sun, 8th Nov 2009 11:08 pm
Well Stevie a microphone on an Ipod Nano is certainly not as powerful as the mics that Sky or the BBC use within the stadium.
Saor Alba on Sun, 8th Nov 2009 11:16 pm
andy was that directed at me?
i am in fact in my 40’s and hold a position as a modern studies/history teacher.
i most certainly do not drink buckfast or sit from a room which could be deemed a shrine to republicanism. i am almost certainly,however, more informed about republicanism, loyalism and the british army than you are; its only a difference of opinion sunshine
Stevie Tait on Sun, 8th Nov 2009 11:19 pm
I see, so these powerful mics make the sound volume appear higher ,than an actual a ipod nano sound recording, that makes sense…
Dinny on Sun, 8th Nov 2009 11:28 pm
Spiffing retort dannyboy . Golly how I remember how we mowed the natives in Africa when they came at us with spears . We had time for brandy and cigars while our rifles picked them off . But the bloody Chinese wouldn’t take their beating so we flooded the place with opium and watched the blighters get buggered . Got the VC for that one I dare say .
Editor on Sun, 8th Nov 2009 11:46 pm
wasnt aimed at you was aimed at the poster - outraged - and I have studied history - ancient/17th & 18th British History/21st Century history. And actually wrote an essay on the conflict in Britain/Scotland & Ireland during my A Level studies some years back, and yes it passed. While I have not claimed to know everything I certainly know a fair bit about history, read a bit about various political movements as well as sectarianism in ireland and scotland. Never professed to be an expert.
SFTB on Sun, 8th Nov 2009 11:49 pm
I am breaking a promise not to post on this site again because I think you are doing some damage here without being aware of the facts; that is not the way for blog journalism to go forward.
I arrived at Falkirk just before 12.30 today as our bus was delayed by a wrong turning. I joined the queue for entry around 12.35, 2 turnstiles (ironic number, eh?) were open for each end of the stand and two more for Falkirk’s makeshift stand. All were electronic and slow.
I gained entry to the ground around 12.55, surprised at the lack of rioting caused by such Bucharest type arrangements (joking) so I cannot speak personally for the behaviour of the crowd inside. My brother, whose word I trust, was seated in time for the silence and says the Celtic crowd inside were silent during the observation.
Being near the head of the queue at kick off, about 100 from the front, I could see part of the ground and could see that the silence had started. I repeat that I could SEE this as we could not HEAR it being signaled outside the ground. The Celtic fans in the queue had been singing Celtic songs whilst queuing and continued to sing, most of them unaware that any silence had been signaled. The queue was over 70 metres long at turnstiles 11-12 and around 4 to 5 hundred of them could not see anything but the queue in front of them.
Now maybe they would have chosen to sing anyway; I have little doubt that some of you will believe that no matter what eye witness evidence I present. What I can state was that all of us in that queue, who were near the front and could see the crowd in silence, were silent too.
There was only one exception to this group. Around 20 or so fans were not queuing to get into the temporary stand as they seemed to be waiting until the silence was over before deciding to queue to get into the temporary stands via turnstiles 13 & 14. They did “seem” to be able to see that the ground was silent and they did renew a chorus of singing which may have been joined in by fans at the back of the queue. That small group entered the ground shortly after the match whistle blew. They will have gained entry before I did because the temporary stand had a much smaller queue. Their voices, however few, would have stood out to those inside the ground. They were not subject to an instruction or agreeement to be silent. Police and stewards continued to interact and speak to fans on stewarding issues; they did not stand still and be silent, nor did they seek to police the obvious group singing.
So, the eye witness facts (does blog journalism still care about these or am I wasting my time?) are that:-
1) Celtic fans inside the ground were silent
2) the majority outside the ground were silent; I can testify to that.
3) I witnessed no more than 20 lads who could have been accused of deliberately disrupting the silence from outside the ground, though there may have been more who joined in their songs unaware of what was going on. I will comment only on what I know.
Your line seems to be; to hell with the facts, whether knowing or unknowing it is a palpable disgrace, equivalent to urinating on a grave, to have sung outside when we should have known there was a demand for silence. Anybody choosing to go to the match should have shut up from 12.40 to 12.50 just to be sure. Furthermore, you would demand that fellow celts round on them and demand conformity and acquiescence. I will not be doing that and I consider myself a decent fan but one who knows what freedom means.
Many Falkirk fans shouted “scum” at us today and will feel self righteous about it. But, you see, they call us scum often, just for the provocation of being “not quite their type, ye ken.”
I cannot wait till this blows over. The hysteria is breathtaking.
Read this if you want to understand more and condemn less:-
ian bell
Editor on Mon, 9th Nov 2009 12:01 am
Ian if you look back at the start of the article I stated that majority of fans were impeccable during the minutes silence. And whatever the numbers they were still celtic fans no matter if it was 20 or 2000 fans.
I never stated that the incident took place inside the ground either btw. Facts are a group of celtic fans sang and chanted an Irish rebel song during the minutes silence and showed disrespect to all those who died during the world wars etc and have now given Rangers fans and the media ammunition to use to bad mouth Celtic and their fans.
What ever happened to a silent protest with banners? Or a raised arm with a clenched fist like the three black US athletes did in the olympics a few decades ago or the Socialist MSPs do when they swear in to become MSPs in Scotland???
While I don’t deny that several fans may have not known that a minutes silence had taken place - the fact is if you looked at your watch and knew that a minutes silence was to take place and heard NO sound from inside the ground - which you can easily do from outside even at Celtic Park etc - then you could come to your own conclusion - so with all due respect I have to take that as an excuse and a bad one at that. Anyone with common sense would have realised it mate.
KT on Mon, 9th Nov 2009 12:22 am
Editor, can you vouch for the veracity of the video used to support the writers op-ed given the nature of the video posted from within the ground?
Equity on Mon, 9th Nov 2009 12:24 am
Fair article.
This past week just goes to prove there’s @rseholes following both old firm clubs.
There’s a lot of things I don’t agree with, a lot of things I oppose with all my heart but I’ll never set out to deliberately disrupt someone else’s mark of respect.
Talk of fans outside the stadium not knowing of a minutes silence is utter lies. It’s been talked about for weeks and is the done thing in this country at this time of the year for decades.
Those who say they didn’t know lack credibility and honesty. They know what time kick off was and they knew there was to be a minutes silence.
Over to the events in Romania. Absolute fvcking morons. Yes there was a lot of mistreatment by police and stewards but you simply cannot condone the couple of dozen taking the law into their own hands.
I hope they’re all jailed for the trouble and I hope too any cop or steward stepping out of line is treated in the same way.
Scottish Football Blog on Mon, 9th Nov 2009 12:26 am
The editor is damned if he does, damned if he doesn’t.
Yes. He does attack Rangers fans. And he’s called them scum before. And they call him a blinkered Celtic fan.
Now he attacks Celtic fans and he’s called a “hun with a typewriter.”
What he wants, most of us want, is to watch football without the nonsense that some seem to need.
I got the impression today was a planned protest. If so I am more than willing to trade history degrees with the perpetrators and show them why they are wrong.
If they didn’t know that a minutes silence was being held than they are both ignorant and guilty of never having approached a football stadium in the minutes before kick off before.
http://bit.ly/EfSv
SFTB on Mon, 9th Nov 2009 12:42 am
andy
My name is not Ian.
The Ian Bell is a hyperlink to a newspaper article which I think you would benefit from reading.
Driving on my way to the supporter’s bus today, I was listening to the radio. Radio 5 live switched to live coverage of a remembrance memorial silence; all I heard was some annoying buzz of traffic noise. Unpatriotically, I switched to Talk Sport (whilst still continuing to drive my car and failing to fall in line and think of the war dead). I heard the same noise there. Finally, I switched to Radio Scotland and caught Tam Cowan asking Sunday morning listeners if they had ever had sex with a dog.
No doubt Tam & his buddy Stuart will be among the Holy Willies feasting on scandal tomorrow.
Whilst a minute’s silence was being observed at some grounds yesterday at 12.30 kick offs, 3.00 clock and 4 o’clock ones, did anyone walk bye those grounds singing Beyonce, Girls Aloud or Carpenters songs?
Life went on. The protestors today exercised our hard won freedom to protest. Policemen policed and stewards stewarded. Burger vans sold burgers, and commercial traffic drove by. Some sounded their horns, screeched their brakes, or pumped out loud music. It’s life and isn’t it great to be able to live it.
There are many things I would prefer were not so; playing of Carpenters’ music figures high on that list, but many of them fall far short of the disgrace that is preparing the ground for worship of soldiering in wars right or wrong.
Let the army call their own parades and see how many of the “I was disgraced at that behaviour” brigade bother to get out of their scratcher to show an interest.
Roll on the football season.
Roll on the end of these unjust wars.
James G on Mon, 9th Nov 2009 12:52 am
as a celtic supporter i believe we are too quick to point the finger at rangers supporters and their antics. i love celtic and everything it stands for but we must remember, most of us are of irish descent but we are living in britain. i have mates catholic and protestant that are celtic supporters who served in the british army. should they be forgotten? just be thankful that we’re not living under a nazi regime, thanks to allied soldiers from across the world. the british government might have kept the irish down but i can guarantee you it’s probably much better than living in a german work camp. and for anyone that wants to tell me about history dont bother, my father is from belfast and my grandparents on my mothers side are from dublin. i know the history, my family were part of history not like most irish scots who came here during the potato famine.
dannybhoy on Mon, 9th Nov 2009 1:12 am
Dinny you buggered the Chinese does that mean your homosexual??
dannybhoy on Mon, 9th Nov 2009 1:29 am
Sosr Alba(nice name) you are 100% correct with some of your points but i cannot agree with the singing outside the ground they could have protested in silence easily done.
Editor whats wrong with speaking Irish Gaelic is it not similar to Scots Gaelic??????
Stephen on Mon, 9th Nov 2009 1:31 am
It seems that those who gave their lives in world wars so that we may live with the right to freedom of expression were sold out by you and those like you.
Nobody is asking you to agree with the views of those who protested the minutes silence. You just need to respect their right to do so. When you spend your hard earned cash on tickets for a sporting event it should not come with a caveat that means you have to subscribe to any symbolic acts or any political expression.
Personally, I do not think that minutes silences have any place at sporting events for whatever reason as sport should be just that… sport. It should not be a forum for politics , it should bring people together and not divide us.
The idea that you see fit to label anyone ’scum’ as a result of their political views is frankly obsurd and, having read your article about the Rangers’ fans behaviour during the week I can see how this inflammatory language upsets Celtic supporters. They have a right to their views. The Rangers support do not have the right to riot and cause violence however. I don’t care which team you support or any of your credentials, your value system and your agenda is clear for all reasonable people to see.
It is a shame that you continue to defend your ludicrous article and, having read your subsequent posts, I really don’t think you have the wherewithall to question your own standpoint. I guess evolution takes a while…
Dominic on Mon, 9th Nov 2009 3:03 am
Why did you do it ? you gave the media and rangers fans just what they wanted, a good negative Celtic story to deflect the heat away from their problems.
Rookie on Mon, 9th Nov 2009 9:23 am
What song were the protesters outside the ground singing?
What is the history behind the song?
Editor on Mon, 9th Nov 2009 9:36 am
me? Why did I write about it? Think you are pointing the finger at the wrong person Dominic. If the protestors had not sung or chanted during the minutes silence then there would have been NO story - so the blame firmly lies in the lap of the protestors who disrespected the minutes silence and not me.
Editor on Mon, 9th Nov 2009 9:38 am
never said it was wrong to speak Irish Gaelic in fact I applaud anyone who speaks their native tongue be it Irish/Welsh or Scots Gaelic
Editor on Mon, 9th Nov 2009 9:44 am
I can’t vouch anything of the video posted by one of the commentors but the video that I posted was taken from Sky footage of the game via an Arab tv station and given that sky use professional microphones rather than ipod nano’s to record their sound then I would go for the video all day long in regards to accurate sound levels.
Also the Radio Scotland mics were inside the ground and yet they managed to pick up the protestors outside also - or is it a conspiracy and everyone had microphones outside to record these 20 protestors???
mark on Mon, 9th Nov 2009 9:55 am
Andy I think you should get your last word in and then lock the post. Your point has been made, and your headline has attracted the business that you are ultimately looking for. Lets leave the fallen at peace now and move on.
Editor on Mon, 9th Nov 2009 10:16 am
The song was an Irish rebel song - aiden mcanespie and no matter the history of the song it was sang during a minutes silence and is disrespectful and shameful
Rookie on Mon, 9th Nov 2009 10:22 am
Put Aidan Macanespie into Wikipedia and read about it
jocky bhoy on Mon, 9th Nov 2009 10:25 am
Having been on this site for a good while now, I have seen that the editor criticises all fans when it is warranted.
I thought the silence at the ground fantastic, but became suspicious of it when seeing the reactions of the Falkirk fans.
Shooting the messenger, misguided claims of doctored sound to show Celtic in a bad light (ironic it was the other way round wasn’t it?) and attempts to claim the moral high ground by pointing out the obeying the “letter” of the request by the clubs was obeyed whilst dancing in the ashes of the spirit do Celtic no favour.
Well done you ghuys outside the ground, you gave the establishment and the SouthSide exactly what they needed.
Editor on Mon, 9th Nov 2009 10:53 am
i dont need too I know about him and what happened
james wilson on Mon, 9th Nov 2009 12:56 pm
i would like nothing more than to see the scum of the earth who disrespected our war veterens in all our wars banned from all football stadiums for life as what they done was seen & heard all around the world so tell me what signal does that send to everyone else??that we are still all bigoted idiots but i would like to point out that out of 67 games played this weekend 66 of them were handled perfect except one which was the scum of the earth.CELTIC FANS.TUG WILSON.
mark on Mon, 9th Nov 2009 1:07 pm
Smart men here - Especially if it causes this much hate between supposedly logical thinking human beings, I will pray for you Andy.
Britain’s two late Catholic Cardinals, Hume and Winning, grasped this in 1996, when they spoke out against the call for a nationwide one-minute silence shortly after the Dunblane massacre. The Christian response to tragedy, they said, is not silence, but prayer. They were shouted down.
And yet their point was sound: in an age when every month brings news of fresh atrocities, who is to decide which victims deserve silences? How long before a creeping silence-inflation enforces the first deathly day-long hush? And how fine the line between our publicly enforced two-minute silences and George Orwell’s vision in his novel 1984 of the two minutes’ Daily Hate?
tony, london on Mon, 9th Nov 2009 1:55 pm
I have to laugh at the celtic fans trying to justify this. You have a “right to protest”, but not when that right interferes with everyone else’s rights.. you are denying them their right and that constitutes a bigot..the very thing you label your glasgow rivals as. Why did you have to wait for a minutes silence inside the ground before you started singing a republican song to make your political statement?
You disrespected the celtic fans who observed to the minutes silence, you disrespected the falkirks fans right to observe that minutes silence and you disrespected the honour of all those who fought and died for the society we live in today.
The sole reason your club exists today is because of natives of great britain and ireland who gave their lives to fight pure evil. If they hadn’t defended britain through two world wars your club would not be here today, or is that line of logic too hard for you to understand? How dare you even try and tar their memory by linking them to the troubles in northern ireland, direct your anger at thatcher and britains government who make those decisions. The fact you decide to disgrace the memory of soldiers who put your club on the map speaks volumes about the sections of support you have at that club. A lot of celtic fans are decent guys who don’t get involved in the tit for tat cringe worthy rubbish of the old firm so congratulations for embarrassing them with your antics.
Dominic on Mon, 9th Nov 2009 2:05 pm
ED you have picked me up wrong, I am not having a go at you. I wrote ‘why did you do it’ as that is a line from the song that was being sung and it was aimed at the people singing it. Im annoyed that some Celtic fans have given Celtics enemies a stick to beat us all with.
Saor Alba on Mon, 9th Nov 2009 4:24 pm
andy, if you knew about the song then why class it as an irish rebel song?
it rebels against no-one but simply asks the british why they acted in that cowardly disgusting way.
you are very clearly misguided in your opinions and i think a-level history is no where near enough to sit and reflect on irish pre or post 1969 history.
jocky bhoy on Mon, 9th Nov 2009 6:18 pm
I agree with Mark regarding silences - they are dime a dozen now - seems everytime some no-mark official from club or association shuffles off this mortal coil it’s out with the black armbands. Scotland does have a chequered history with silences (or not) for example regarding the late Pope JPII.
At least on these occasions it’s everyone being made aware of the reason, not just Goram remembering his Auntie 3 months late… ‘o)
And final word from me, whilst the death of Aiden McAnespie immortalised in song does “ask the british why…” it also mentions a couple of other cases where questions have also been asked.
Endof the day, no-one sang it in the stadium, outside the stadium people can do as they like, whether the tabloids, you, I or anyone likes it or not…
aidan mc on Mon, 9th Nov 2009 6:42 pm
most of you’s here are clueless fuck’s , fans who were not part of the silence sang a song about an innocent irish civilian who was shot dead by the british army and before he was shot he was harrased , this is just one example of why poppies shouldn’t be worn on the hoops , Fuck British Imperialism.
ParisLoyal on Mon, 9th Nov 2009 7:48 pm
Saor Alba I do not have even an A level History but I am sure that I could lead you a merry dance around the History of many peoples including the Irish, Scots and English.
My point is that you seem to think that a piece of paper gives you the right to say that you know more than another man. Are you more knowlegeable or better?
I am glad the Ed has given up replying to some of the comments made on here as his point has been made.
My main point is that the people who died to protect the rights of free people did so to protect the right of those same free people to protest and vent their feelings. Just as we are free to speak our minds and condemn a minority for taking voice in protest in such a disrespectful manner. There are better ways to protest. Taking the easy option of protesting during a silence seems a bit cowardly (as big Mick would have said if had still been around) as it did not give the majority of Celtic fans the chance to protest the method of protest that they chose.
I have no problems with the Eds comments and no problem with the guys on here that oppose his views. I do have a problem with disrespect!! There is a lot of that from a lot of people who have made comments here.
Hail Hail!
Bridgeton Loyal on Mon, 9th Nov 2009 8:41 pm
This is the oldest story in the world. You have people living in a country, some not all sponging from it. They have an identity problem. They really want to belong to another country they were not born in. The strange thing is they could always leave but will not. They do not leave because they have no principles or conviction. All they have is verbal diahorrea. The Irish Republic would turn them back at their border if they tried to enter. They have enough of their own retards. You just have to look at their heads, definately inbreeding!
ParisLoyal on Mon, 9th Nov 2009 10:04 pm
And bridgeton loyal makes my point for me.
Dominic on Mon, 9th Nov 2009 11:24 pm
Thank God for Bridgeton loyal then eh parisloyal. He talks guff so thats you summed up.
Bridgeton Loyal on Tue, 10th Nov 2009 12:47 am
Fine name is Dominic! Sounds Holy. You have sucked on His Imperial Mint in your time I presume.
ParisLoyal on Tue, 10th Nov 2009 10:16 am
Dominic Dominic
Harry on Tue, 10th Nov 2009 11:53 am
Andy, if you really are a Celtic fan (which I sincerely doubt), then you are some mug to have allowed your article to be accompanied by a headline like the one above. Muppet.
Dubber on Tue, 10th Nov 2009 12:03 pm
Editor appears to have a problem with those of Irish descent continuing to live in the west of Scotland. There’s an RSC here in Dublin, editor - I presume you think that’s an equal disgrace?
Sheepie on Tue, 10th Nov 2009 12:07 pm
Editor, have you hit puberty yet? My guess is you’re about 26 or 27 and a bit of a late developer, if you know what I mean.
You should listen to your elders a little more.
Colonel Blimp on Tue, 10th Nov 2009 12:17 pm
This article would be hilarious if it wasn’t so serious.
In the opening lines, it says “you HAVE to respect peoples beliefs”, then proceeds to disrespect the beliefs of people with whom its author disagrees.
Freedom of choice and freedom of expression were basic tenets of the democracy that many British servicemen fought and died for. Where are those freedoms now, I wonder?
Freedom of choice not to respect a minute’s silence for members of a force that committed untold atrocities around the world in pursuit of its objectives, for example.
Freedom of expression to sing a song about an innocent young man whose life was unlawfully taken by the British Army in a place called Aughnacloy, for example.
If the author of this drivel cannot see the multiple contradictions in his weakly constructed and highly blinkered article, then I wonder if he should ever have been afforded a platform such as this website?
And yes, those who go looking for offence will usually find it. Bravo the author and bravo Scotzine.com - what’s the view from your high horse like on a clear day, I wonder?
Dominic on Tue, 10th Nov 2009 1:52 pm
That was a good one Bridgeton loyal, keep them coming.
Editor on Tue, 10th Nov 2009 4:05 pm
I dont have any problem Dubber - what I do have a problem with is the hugely disrespectful attitude of a small band of fans who probably have never set foot in Ireland. They claim to support a club that is open to all beliefs etc yet they shamefully act disrespectful against other people and their beliefs.
I really dont care where an RSC or CSC is based, what city or what country its in - it has nothing do with what nationality folk are or what club they support. Dubber answer me this - how many Irish who support the club did not ruin the minutes silence who stood silent? I could bet that the majority of those inside and outside the stadium who were Irish have more respect for the minutes silence than those who claim or state that they are of Irish descent who were protesting outside and chanting & singing.
Editor on Tue, 10th Nov 2009 4:05 pm
and why is that then Sheepie???
Editor on Tue, 10th Nov 2009 4:06 pm
well given its a clear day and I am on a high horse blimp - the view would be far and wide wouldnt it?
Editor on Tue, 10th Nov 2009 4:09 pm
So I’m not a Celtic fan then? Why? Because I respect the minutes silence? Or because I attacked a group of fans who you have the same opinion of?
jocky bhoy on Tue, 10th Nov 2009 5:17 pm
More interesting news coming out - was the singing outside recorded from the stadium. Or from outside?
Either way universally the reports are that the Celtic support inside the stadium were silent, but there’s a Falkirk fan shouting at the Celtic end to “F- off home…” Now that’s racism/sectarian. Interesting that the microphones used could pick up singing of less than 100 outside the stadium, yet always seem to miss “the famine song” being sung buy the massed hordes at Ibrox (and other stadia). Things are never as clean as they seem are they?
I still think the people outside the stadium were wrong in their “protest” and it’s given “~inserttownname~ Loyal” a chance to vent their spleen and for the WeearraPeepul’s Press to take attention away from Ranger’s fans disgraceful (again) antics on foreign soil… But that’s Scotland for you.
Editor on Tue, 10th Nov 2009 5:28 pm
Jocky having looked at this site do you see any censoring of Rangers actions by this site? Do you see any censoring of actions by Celtic fans also? We try to cover all issues equally yet I am being called a H*n, a DOB, a billy boy by celtic fans because I chose to attack those who protested outside singing and chanting.
As you say the people who protested were in the wrong and its given the media and rangers fans ammunition to use - but if they did not do so then they would not have had such a stinging attack - so the blame can be firmly stuck on their laps and no one else.
No smoke without fire
ParisLoyal on Tue, 10th Nov 2009 8:59 pm
Is there something wrong with a celtic fan using loyal in his name?
Answers on a postage stamp please.
jocky bhoy on Wed, 11th Nov 2009 9:15 am
There’s an old adage that if you’re equally hated by both sides, you must be in the middle. Given the abuse you get from the more exreme fringes of both Rangers and Celtic’s support, I guess you must be in that middle.
dannybhoy on Wed, 11th Nov 2009 12:08 pm
i am a loyal Celtic fan whats the problem?????????????????
bowling for belfast on Wed, 11th Nov 2009 7:51 pm
I have read through ur artical and all replies that coe with it I like to think of my self as a un bigoted celtic fan with my own political and religious views that keeps my self to myself but now i will not stand back and look at you hide behind a computer and brand celtic supporters scum like some vile off spring of gerry mcknee because u my friend are the one who is courting contreversy on this site by faning the flames of bigotry with ur inacurate comments and disregard for peoples humane rights
For a start rememberance sunday is not just for the brave men and woman both catholic and protestant who gave their life in the battle against the evil nazi regime but for all british army men and woman who have died in combat this includes in Ireland. Now why would any one from any religion from anywere in the world respect an army that has openly descriminated against a certain religion i.e the british army killing innocent catholics
And i ask u this who is the real scum a few men who decide that they do not want to be silent because of these attrosities or the men who hide behind their uniforms and guns backed by the bigoted government and bigoted crown murdering men for the fact they a Catholic.
Now answer that u vile little man because i see u have not answered anyone who has made a point unless they make bigoted moronic comments which i find a total embarresment to myself and celtic supporters in general silly little boys jumping on a bandwagon they know nothing about and have never and are unlikely to ever set foot in Ireland yet find it ok to shout about it but i would never lower myself to call them scum